From: AK1957@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:51:03 -0500
To: Knowlton@benetech.com
Subject: On-Ramp To Stocking

Hi All,

Thanks to Elizabeth Knowlton who provided an on ramp for me to Stockings History. I've ordered the two books from Higgenson's Shop in Salem and expect them any day now. Tomorrow being an off day for me I will begin the census searches and hope to really get moving on the family history.

I know that e-mail is a really convenient and fast way of communicating information these days but looking at a computer screen can sometimes desensitize oneself to the human perspective. In light of this I would be willing to exchange photographs of our branch of the tree with anyone interested. It would be nice to put a face with all those electronic addresses and signatures. Here's my US Mail address ( please do not refer to it as snail-mail I work for this great institution):

Arthur L. Knowlton Jr.                       or           Arthur L. Knowlton Jr.
306 N. Manoa Rd                                           Customer Service Analyst USPS
Havertown Pa 19083-3504                                   PO Box 419
                                                          Wynnewood
                                                          Pa 19096-0419 

From: robert.magnan@magnapubs.com
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:09:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: KNOWLTON coats and mottoes
To: Knowlton@benetech.com

Arthur, Cathy, and anyone else interested in coats of arms and their mottoes: As I understand it (the best way to flush out the experts to correct and even flame me!), no family has a coat of arms; they belong to individual members of the family, although there probably is a basic Knowlton coat of which the individual coats are variants.

My Latin has not improved over the years, but here's what the mottoes seem to mean:
Verite, Verite, Veritas -- something like "through truth, in truth, truth" (the "verite" is a slippery little varmint called the ablative, so you can assume any number of prepositions, such as "through" or "in" or "by"; the fact that the word "verite" is doubled makes it even more problematic)

Viet Virtute -- since I don't recognize "Viet," I would guess that this is probably three words, "Vi et Virtute," which would mean something like "through strength and virtue" (again this ablative, so "in" or "through" or "by," depending on your preference)

For what it's worth .... Now, let the attacks begin!

Bob
(the favorite older son of Barbara Knowlton)

Robert Magnan
Magna Publications, Inc.
2718 Dryden Drive
Madison WI 53704-3086
U.S.A.
Ph: 608/246-3590 x 107
Fax: 608/246-3597
Email: Robert.Magnan@Magnapubs.com

Date: 10 Feb 96 21:10:17 EST
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: George Henry Knowlton Papers

This week I printed out the RLIN bibliographic entry for the G.H. Henry Papers in the New York State Library, Manuscripts and Special Collections (Albany, NY 12230), NYSR88-A311.
George is described as an "amateur genealogist." The collection is a total of 11 boxes (which can mean anything from about 11 cu. ft. down to less than 3 cu. ft. The papers were created between 1895 and 1931. It was my understanding that George died early in the century, so I do not know who created or collected the later papers. They are to be cited as "The George Henry Knowlton Papers, 1899-1915." ??? The collection was accessioned in two parts, the first and larger as KH13163, and the second as SC14869.
Summary: "A collection of materials relating to the history and genealogy of the Knowlton family. The collection includes correspondence with members of the Knowlton family requesting genealogical information. Also included are bound noteboods containing genealogical information, copies of wills, estate papers, military service records, and photographs of historic houses and monuments."
The second accession "contains bound noteboods on family history and genealogy and appears to be the manuscript of a book that was never published."
There is an unpublished guide available to the researcher, and subject headings include "Family--New York (State)" and "Registers of birth, etc.--New York (State).
This collection is definitely open to the public and has been since at least 1988 when they described it in RLIN. I certainly wish I saw a possibility of going to Albany in the next two years. Either this is the manuscript of the new book that Bill Knowlton mentioned or it is the raw material used in the two volumes that we do have. Certainly the photographs sound like the ones in the History. I describe collections such as this for a living; and it is entirely possible that the archivist did not look into the collection enough to notice that it had non-New York material in it.
Does any one of us live close enough to Albany to make a day trip?

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

From: CMacQ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:05:30 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
Subject: Nathaniel Knowlton's siblings?

Am looking for more information on the following:

John KNOWLTON. Born 29 Nov 1730.  He married Mary HERRICK, May 1753. They had
the following children:

 12 i. John KNOWLTON
 13 ii. Ezekiel KNOWLTON
 14 iii. Robert KNOWLTON
 15 iv. Mary KNOWLTON
 16 v. Sara KNOWLTON
 17 vi. Anna KNOWLTON
 18 vii. Daniel Herrick KNOWLTON

************

14. Robert KNOWLTON. Born 24 Feb 1759 in Hopkinton, Merrimack Co., NH.  He
first married Ede ALLEN, 23 Nov 1780 in Manchester. Died 17 Jan 1812. They
had the following children:

 19 i. Nathaniel W. KNOWLTON

He second married Judith HOIT OR HOYT. 

Date: 12 Feb 96 19:47:59 EST
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Shane message

A.P.M. Shane had some interesting additions and questions to our discussion on Stocking and Knowlton origins. All numbers that follow are from Stocking/GHK
I absolutely agree that William (1) was probably not the son of Richard Knowlden, as it turns out his name was spelled, per my message on Bill Knowlton's research through Debrett's last week.
As to the last name of Ann Elizabeth, William's wife, it is true we have no proof it was Smith. But what proof do we have that it was Rice? Stocking and GHK do have information about the Rice family intermarrying with Knowltons, in England and in Massachusetts. But these marriages are not until the 18th century. John (11) married a Bethia Edwards, and they named their second son Rice (41B) as her father was Rice Edwards. ??
From where in England did this Rice family come?
I think it is likely that William (1) did have a brother named John. But he left descendants with similar first names in England. Wouldn't the man named John Knowlton with whom Ann Eliz. lived in Ipswich be her oldest son John (2), born in England in 1610 or so?

I REALLY liked the story of Ann E. bringing the ship in and had heard many times that her husband William (1) had died at sea. Thanks for the Nova Scotia reference. I will check it out--or better yet, isn't there some Canadian who can do it. I still think someone should check the GH Knowlton collection in Albany because I suspect it has lots of old documents in it, not just from NY, that were collected when they did research 100 years ago.
The William/William/William line that Shane mentions is William (1), William (3), William (10) in Stocking/Errata. The latter had only one son, William (87), and he shows no issue that I can find.
On the other hand, the William/John (2)/John(5)/Thomas(21) line is well-documented. Thomas and Margery Goodhue did have a son Robert (122) who married Hannah Robinson. And their oldest son was Daniel.
Shane has used the vital records of Ipswich and other reputable sources for her/his research. That's great, exactly what we should be doing.
I have looked without success for a Chiswick, Kent, by the way. Others say it is part of London. Excuse the disorganization of my message.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:13:50 -0500
From: CMacQ@aol.com
Subject: Coat of Arms

I also have a coat of arms (4x4) that has the motto - Viet Virtute. Funny how there are different combinations out there. My grandfather also passed this to me but I don't know where it came from.

He also had (now I have on my wall) a plaque of the Knowlton Family Name History. In fine print at the bottom it reads "All information text printed or typed on this document is the copywritten material of the Historical Research Center, Inc. and may not be used, copied, printed or reprinted in its original form. I was going to send out what it says but now don't know if I should. What do you all think?

Cathy Knowlton
cmacq@aol.com

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:14:15 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Knowlton Origins in England

Many of us have happily accepted Stocking's account of our origins in England, that is that William Knowlton (1) was the son of Richard and Elizabeth Cantize Knowlton of Kent.
In 1977-1979 William A. Knowlton (Bill), not yet on line, hired Debrett Ancestry Research in England to check on the sources of this line. He found them to be probably false because no real connection could be proved and, in fact, Richard and Elizabeth had another son born at the time William was supposed to be. Bill has shared his research with me, and I will repeat most of his one-page letter, Jan. 30, 1996. Additions by me are in brackets. At some point I hope to scan the research and put it all on this listserve.

1. Richard and Elizabeth had children, one of whom might have been named William, but Stocking never cited his baptism.
2. The original immigrants to Ipswich, MA, had a mother probably named Ann [or Ann Elizabeth] and a father who might have been named William.
3. A grave was found in Canada that matches the story that William (1) died coming over or after landing, before the mother and four sons migrated to Ipswich, MA.
4. Stocking assumed that the William in #1 above was the same as the one in #2.
5. George H. Knowlton published an Errata because of the many obvious errors in Stocking's original History.
6. George then was working on a definitive history to replace Stocking's but died in the middle of it. His papers are in the New York State Library in Albany, NY [in the Research Libraries Information Network bibliographic database as NYSR88-A311].
7. "Stocking also knew that his joining the two Williams was thin gruel and about 100 years ago sought a small sum from each member of the Knowlton Association [active at the time] to finance another trip to Kent. If he took it, I have never seen the results."
8. Stocking lists four sons for Richard, William being the fourth. But when one looks at the Canterbury records, only the first two [George and Stephen] are listed in records [baptisms]. In fact, the records list another child [John] being born to Richard at the time when William was supposedly born [1584]. The two Williams cannot be the same.
9. William may well have come from the Chiswick area [near London], but Cromwell's men burned those records. We are at a dead end.

If anyone has any research to add to this, please chime in; but the LDS Knowlton information has repeated this Stocking research for many decades, so we must not use others' charts and stories. What we need are the original English records or copies thereof.
To add my two-cents: I always thought it strange that the names Richard, George, and Stephen did not repeat in the next Ipswich generation; it is more likely that William's father was named John (or William, Samuel, or Thomas).

Also, the St. Dunstan, Canterbury, Kent register that Stocking used, is for a family named Knowlden. Now, I have found Knowlton spelled many ways (Knoulton, Nolton, Nowlton, Nowton, Knowlten, etc.), and the defining letters seem to be *No*t*n. Almost anything else can be different or missing. When the T is missing, I have personally never found that person to be related to our family. In all of Canterbury, Debrett's only once found such a name, Agnes Nolton of Hollingbourne, widow, 1505/06. They also found reference to a Ralph Knowlton, who lived in Herts. and Middlesex, servant of the countess of Bedford, whose 1595 will mentioned other Knowltons named Isabel and William.
Bill did not choose to give Debrett's $600 to continue their search. Perhaps someone else would like to sleuth on his/her own. The field is open.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:14:22 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Portage Co., OH, Knowltons

That was really pleasant of Arthur Knowlton to thank me here the other night for providing "an on-ramp to the Knowlton History"--I think was how he put it.
He gave me the idea of sharing other Knowlton research I have done, not on my line specifically, and not for people who are on-line. Recently I was looking for an Ardillo Clarion Knowlton (no, don't ask), who was supposedly in Ohio, and came upon a whole "nest" of Knowltons in Nelson township, Portage Co., OH, who seem to have escaped Stocking's notice entirely. Remember, he didn't have access to the census past 1820 or so.

It looks as if a William Knowlton with perhaps a brother Willard R. were born in Massachusetts about 1798 and 1802. Their father was born in Connecticut and their mother in Massachusetts. Before 1830 they had migrated (with or without parents) to Ohio, I don't know yet if to Portage Co. directly. The Western Reserve northeast part of Ohio, near Cleveland, was settled by a lot of Connecticut people.
These Knowltons stayed in Ohio until at least 1900. William had Sidney H., b. 1830, William Porter, b. 1835, Jariet Benjamin, b. 1844, and probably others. Sidney married a New York woman named Amanda, but all these settlers had roots in Massachusetts and Connecticut. Sidney also left home for a while, went to Michigan, which may have been where he met Amanda; but after they had Adillo (as his name turned out to be) in 1859, they came back to Ohio.
By 1880 Sidney and Amanda had Amoretta B., Phima M., and Roselma A., all girls. William, now 82 and widowed, was living with them. The census taker said that Adillo was married, but there is no sign of his wife. Nearby live old Willard R. Knowlton, 78, and his wife Hannah O., 74.
Also in Nelson are the other two sons, William Porter and J. Benjamin, married to Lucy M. and Pollie S., respectively. Pollie's mother, 76, Polly Dutcher, born in Massachusetts, lives with them. Most of the children are girls, but J.B. and Pollie have a son, James Clyde, aged 9.

In 1900 the families are still there. Adillo has married Frances E. Sperry 16 years before and has two sons, Ellis S. and Walter R. He farms next door to his parents, still both alive and married 43 years. Amanda says that three of her five children are still alive. One of them is still living at home: Amoretta, has married two years ago, a physician John J. Waite, six months younger than herself, but the couple has no children. Not only are William P. and Jariet Benjamin still in the neighborhood, but James Clyde has a family now too with a son, Robert B.

Part of the reason I am putting this message out is to show all of you who have not used the U.S. census what a wonderful tool it can be, the most democratic record kept for all of our country's history. A woman's husband had only his grandfather's death record that said he was born in Ohio and that his father was named Adillo. Checking only TWO census records (and there are many more to look at) gave me the researcher's great, second great, and third great grandfathers plus many other relatives. Almost more important it pointed me to a specific locality that can be mined through courthouses and genealogical societies for many more details of this family's life. 

Happy hunting.
Elizabeth Knowlton 

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:14:34 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: mackay@direct.ca
Subject: Documented Knowlton?
My mother's surname was Knowlton; I'm delighted to be able to communicate with others interested. Who is the first adequatedly documented Knowlton, ie. by contemporary vital or legal record or contemporary statement, in our North American line? I have looked at Stocking once (no direct access to it) and copied parts relevant to my line, but I did not copy his references, if any. I believe we cannot document William as the son of Richard Knowlton/Elizabeth Cantize. I have two accounts of William, the first from a careful researcher, Mrs. Dorothy Whitford: "According to 'Crowell', Capt. Wm. Knowlton was born in Kent, England . . . Wm. married in England, Anne Elizabeth Rice of same family as Dea. Edmund Rice. He was owner of a vessel which left London 1632 with wife and adult children. He died off the coast of Nova Scotia and was buried at Cape Sable Island. Widow went to Hingham MA and about 1639 to Ipswich, MA. Their son William(2) was married to Elizabeth Balch." - References, Stocking, Savage, Crowell, V R of Ipswich, and Torrey.
She shows our joint line as Daniel, born 1726 Ashford CT (Robert (5), Thomas(4), Wm (3), Wm (2), Wm (1)

The second account is from a typescript, p. 320, which was xeroxed a long time ago at the Public Archives of Nova Scotia, I believe.
"Capt. William Knowlton was born in 1584 in Kent county, probably in Chiswick. He married Ann Smith there and all of his children were born in England. He sailed with his wife and most, or all, of his children from London between 1632 and 1634 but there was no record made of their departure as they did not make it 'legal' to avoid taking the required oaths of allegiance to the existing government. He owned all or part of his vessel and as he died on the journey, his wife brought the ship into Halifax [non-existent at that time], it is believed. However, she did apparently land at Annapolis and buried her husband at Shelburne [settled first in 1783] near Cape Sable. Years later his burial stone was found by a surveyor. After a short time, she appeared in Ipswich, Mass. where her brother-in-law, John Knowlton, had settled and she lived there until she later married John Tucker of Hingham, Mass."
[This appears to be from Roma Duncan's book - Ken M.]
This account gives our joint line as Daniel, Robert, Thomas, John, John, William.
Long on romance, short on facts. Foregoing not intended as criticism of Stocking, but a century later, and with many more resources, could we not improve his account?
A.P.M. Shane

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:14:39 -0500
From: das@drmail.dr.att.com
Subject: Re: KNOWLTON family

[This was a personal note; the following may be of interest - Ken]

My Knowlton data is this:

Charlotte Augusta KNOWLTON
Born: 31 Jul 1819, Shrewsbury, MA
Died: 27 Dec 1893, Santa Monica, CA
Married: 10 Nov 1852 to Williamson Dunn VAWTER

Source: "The Vawter family in America", book published by the Vawter/Vauter/Vaughter (VVV) Family Society.

Don Stanwyck
Lucent Technologies - Bell Labs (formerly AT&T Bell Labs)
stanwyck@att.com

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:14:44 -0500
From: KWCamille@aol.com
Subject: another Knowlton

Has anyone out there run into the name William Dexter Knowlton? I have been unable to get very far in researching my Knowlton line for lack of finding this, my great-great grandfather's name among the documentation to which I have access.
Unfortunately, I have no dates or other pertinent information. I do know that he married Lavisa Emma CARR (one source tells me Maude Carr) and they bore my great grandmother, Alma Tina Knowlton. She died last year in Akron, Ohio where she lived most of her life..

My grandfather, Richard Knowlton Gast, does not remember much except that there was supposedly a "famous" Revolutionary War Colonel as an ancestor. Whether he means he was reputed to be in our lineage or just related, I don't know. If in our lineage, I would then suspect the William/John/John/Thomas line as a possibility, but all of my sources cut off just prior to the generation that would have included William Dexter Knowlton.

Grandfather also mentioned a circuit rider in the Knowlton line who rode off one day and never returned. Indians were suspected, but he knows nothing more. I think this Knowlton was William Dexter's father.

I would be thrilled to find that someone may have come across William Dexter in their research, but it would also help if you could just point me to some appropriate sources containing some of this later data (1800's). (I have looked at Stocking and at a Memoir of Colonel Thomas Knowlton which includes the story of Captain William dying aboard his ship and his wife coming to Ipswich...but that is all I have really found.)

Thanks very much! Kathryn Westcott

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:22:34 -0500
From: Ken McEvoy 
Subject: Problems with Stocking, etc.

I am, with her permission, putting a couple of notes from Elizabeth Knowlton to me out to the list; I think there's much information of interest to us all here.

Date: 19 Jan 96 19:34:13 EST

One plea: Whether or not you get to put Charles Stocking's History on line, remember Using Stocking without Geo Knowlton's Errata (1903) is like operating your car without registration, insurance, or license. A fiasco.
I will be happy to add any info I have on these books, etc. There is a John Knowlton in Minnesota who has been laborously collecting Knowlton data for a "new version" of the history for years and years. He writes in pen on paper, not even a typewriter, much less a computer, etc. However, I do not think he should be overlooked because he has probably collected info on people now dead. Do you know of him?
Also, the George Knowlton genealogical collection, which I imagine contains all of Stockings' notes also, is in the New York State Library/Archives in Albany. Is this common knowledge? Has anyone used it? I have not been there yet.

Date: 21 Jan 96 18:20:48 EST

As far as I know, there are only two main books on Knowltons, both done as part of the great late 19th c. family history movement, the 100th anniversary of the American Revolution, when everyone became very patriotic and studied their roots. I suspect it was also in response to all the "newcomers" because the U.S. had great waves of immigration (Canada too, right?) in the late 19th c. and became nervous about the "purity" of its "Anglo-Saxon" blood being contaminated. [Of course, the US was never all Anglo, anyway (18 languages spoken in New York before 1650) but you know how people are.]
There was a flurry of Knowlton activity in the 1890's with an association formed, composed, as far as I can make out, of businessmen. The got the Rev. Mr. Charles Stocking to do the research and write the History and Genealogy of the Knowltons. . . , which was published in 1897. However, almost immediately, family members must have noticed errors because in 1903 George Knowlton published another volume made up of errata and addenda plus, be thankful, and index to both the original and the corrections. To indicate how many corrections and additions there were, I have opened the second volume at random and count changes to ten entries from pg. 166 of the first volume! Even if George is not always right, his 158 pages of changes certainly indicate deficencies with Stocking's work.
However, over the years I have been doing research, I have noticed that the majority of people I am in contact with and the majority of charts I look at (through the LDS, for instance) do not seem to know of the existence of GK's work. In 100 years things have snowballed to the point where I think people will be resistant to considering that what they have thought for so long may be wrong. [Several quotes come to mind.]
Please put any part of this on line. If you are going to list the books, ask me for the exact citations. We are fortunate. Both can be purchased from Higginson's Books in Salem, MA, which I did a few years ago. What I have tried to do is contact every person I saw in the Genealogical Helper or, now, on-line doing research on Knowltons and help them make connection with the books. If they had much of a line in it (not just a marriage to a Knowlton woman in the early generations of the 17th c.), then I would encourage them to go ahead and buy the book if they wished. But I wanted to help people who might put out $55-100. without finding anything about their branch in it--as you have not, so far.

NEW TOPIC : I have heard rumors of Knowltons who came from Scotland, for instance, but have not heard of any hard data yet. This main branch of the family did supposedly touch at Nova Scotia. The father (William) may even have died there, but by 1633 (I think) they are in Ipswich, MA, the Ur-town. And some are there still. I once believed that all Knowltons in existence had come on that ship or died out in the next two centuries in England (a Knowlton was a famous landscape and garden person there--worked at Chatsworth House for a while). However, when I was researching my great, great granduncle, Van Buren Knowlton, who left the US in the 1860's for Australia, I found he was not the only Australian immigrant named Knowlton and that all the rest were from England.
Anyway, I will check the 1880 and 1900 US census for you when I am next out at the Archives--within the month I would say--as you are not in a hurry for it. The 1890 census burned. It will give Robert's country of birth if I find him.

Elizabeth

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:24:49 -0500
From: Ken McEvoy
Subject: What do we do? How do we start?

A couple of you have contacted me regarding errors in the Knowlton genealogy I put up in the FTP area (ftp.lglobal.com/pub/benetech/knowlton).

As I mentioned in my earlier note, I pulled this file down from Compuserve some time ago, and I have no idea where it originated. I don't think there's any benefit to trying to correct or maintain this text file.

Elizabeth Knowlton's notes point out the problems we face in trying to avoid some mistakes that have crept into the Knowlton literature.

I think what would be of benefit, and might be an appropriate project for interested list-members, would be to create a Knowlton database using one of the standard genealogy programs (so GEDCOM files could be created and distributed). This database would be built from the contributions of a number of people, and could be reviewed by all those interested.

We could procede in stages, for example, we might choose to start by building and reviewing 4 generations down from Capt. William Knowlton. Subsequent descendant lines could be added in by those most interested in them, etc. etc. Not all Knowltons descend from Captain William, of course, and parallel genealogies could also be maintained.

Because I run my own business (and have two younger children), I don't have the time for research that I might like. I am, however, perfectly willing to do data entry, or provide systems support to help things along. Certainly if any of you are able and willing to supply me with GEDCOM files, I would be willing to start work on putting this together, and to putting details of onto a Web page.

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Re a Web page ... you might want to check out Lin Wright's page (http://www.athens.net/~ethelind/wright.html) for one example of how a group of Wright researchers provide access to shared data.

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Notwithstanding my earlier remark about lack of time, I went to our local reference library to check out Roma Duncan's book on the Knowlton family. In the introduction, she comments that it is not a genealogical work, and she provides no documentation. She does, however, provide the following family structure. Does anyone know if there's any accuracy to this tree, or whether it's supported by other research? Captain William Knowlton appears down six generations. ... Also, she lists a Robert Knowlton as a son of Thomas Knowlton and Margery Goodhue; this Robert isn't listed in the file I uploaded earlier.

Regards, Ken McEvoy

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  1. Perot Lord Knowlton.
				Children:     
		2.	i	Christian.

Second Generation        

  2. Christian Knowlton m. William de Langly.
  William: Sir William de Langly adopted the Knowlton name, and became Sir
  William Knowlton.
				Children:     
		3.	i	John.

Third Generation        

  3. John Knowlton m. Dorothy Lyndal, (daughter of Sir John Lyndal).
				Children:     
		4.	i	Edward.

Fourth Generation        

  4. Edward Knowlton m. Elizabeth Peyton, (daughter of Sir John Peyton).
				Children:     
		5.	i	Richard.

Fifth Generation        

  5. Richard Knowlton m. Elizabeth Cantize.
				Children:     
			i	George Knowlton.
			ii	Stephen Knowlton.
			iii	Thomas Knowlton.
		6.	iv	William.

Sixth Generation        

  6. William Knowlton m. Ann Smith.  This is "Captain" William Knowlton of
  Connecticut. It is the four sons of William Knowlton and Ann Smith that
  moved to Ipswich.
				Children:     
		7.	i	John.
			ii	Samuel Knowlton.
			iii	William Knowlton.
			iv	Thomas Knowlton b. 1648, Ipswich, occupation Deacon;
               prison-keep, m. 24-Nov-1668, Hannah Green.  Thomas died
               03-Apr-1692.

Seventh Generation        

  7. John Knowlton m. Margaret.  John died about 1654.  Ipswich; freem. 2 June
  1641
				Children:     
		8.	i	John.
			ii	Abraham Knowlton.
			iii	Elizabeth Knowlton.

Eighth Generation        

  8. John Knowlton. Ipswich; freem. 1680, liv. then at Wenham. John K. had 10
  children; Thomas was the fourth.
				Children:     
		9.	i	Thomas.

Ninth Generation        

  9. Thomas Knowlton m. Margery Goodhue.
				Children:     
			i	Robert Knowlton m. Hannah Robertson.

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:25:35 -0500
From: Ken McEvoy 

It's me again ...

Can anyone give me the context for this line? It doesn't visibly connect to the file I uploaded earlier, though it may connect to something in the published genealogies. The names Luke, Holbrook, and Holland could imply a connection of some sort.

Regards, Ken M.

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  1. Luke Knowlton. Judge of the Supreme Court of Vermont, and a loyalist
  sympathizer.
				Children:     
		2.	i	Silas.

Second Generation        

  2. Silas Knowlton m. Sally Holbrook, d. 1800.  Silas Knowlton took up in
  1796 the British goverment's offer of wild land in Canada made earlier to
  his father, who had been too old to accept it.
				Children:     
			i	Paul Holland Knowlton b. 17-Sep-1787, Newfane, Vt., m.
               22-Sep-1808, Laura Moss, b. Bridport, Vt.  Paul died
               28-Aug-1863, Knowlton, Canada East (Quebec).  Paul was only 11
               when he came to the future Stukely Township in Lower Canada ...
               the family of three boys and one girl was left motherless in
               1800, and Paul was sent back to his grandparents in Newfane to
               be educated. He returned to Stukely in 1807. Not having any
               children of their own, Paul and Laura adopted a boy and a girl
               of their brother Luke's large family.

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:26:02 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Richard Knowlton and Eliz. Cantize/ Luke Knowlton

Thanks for posting my previous messages. Now I will try going direct! Tomorrow (it is 10:30 pm on the East coast, and I have to go to work tomorrow) I will go through my correspondence and find a couple of letters I had from a retired military man who did a lot of research on his Knowltons, including paid research in England. He feels strongly that much as we might like to be hooked onto Richard and Elizabeth Cantize Knowlton we are not. Since I must quote from his letters to be of any help to you, I will not try to paraphrase right now. This is just to begin what I have always thought an impossible process, get us unhooked from very seductive but faulty research. Please, anyone who feels the line Ken posted through them is correct, do so with your proof that William is their son.
I will comment on the rest of his chart tomorrow also.

*********

The Luke Knowlton (266) line Ken refers to in his message is well-documented in the history because this family was very important in Knowlton, Quebec.  He was the son of Deacon Ezekiel Knowlton (129) and Susannah Morgan [data not yet checked against Errata and Addenda] of Shrewsbury, MA.

• Ezekiel was the son of Thomas Knowlton (21) and Margery Goodhue [data checked]
• Thomas (born May 19, 1662) was the son of John Knowlton (5) and probably his first wife, Deborah [Grant?] [data checked]; Thomas was one of 11 children I have identified--one being his half-brother Ephraim (24A), my ancestor.
• John  (born 1633) was the son of John (2) and Marjery Wilson [data checked]
• and John is the son of William Knowlton(1) [whom we all know and love] 

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:26:39 -0500
From: CMacQ@aol.com
Subject: Proven Knowlton's

Is anyone feeling like I am - WHO AM I???

A while back, when I was at my local FHC center (Santa Clara, CA) I found the following birth certificates on microfilm #1001012:

Ezekiel Knowlton (b. 1679) and Sarah LEACH had:

Deborah b. 1699 Hopkinton, NH
Ezekiel b. 1703 Hopkinton, NH <----my ancestor
Robert b. 1701 Hopkinton, NH
Sarah b. 1704 Hopkinton, NH

Ezekiel Knowlton (b. 1703) m. Emma FOSTER had:

Emma b. 1725 in Hopkinton, NH
Anna b. 1728 in Hopkinton, NH
John b. 1730 in Hopkinton, NH <----my ancestor
Elizabeth b. 1732 in Hopkinton, NH
Margaret b. 1734 Hopkinton, NH
Ezekiel b. 1736 in Hopkinton, NH

John Knowlton and Mary HERRICK had (same microfilm #):

John b. 1755 Hopkinton
Ezekiel b. 1757 Hopkinton
Robert b. 1759 Hopkinton <---my ancestor
Mary b. 1761 Hopkinton
Sara b. 1763 Hopkinton
Anna b. 1765 Hopkinton, NH
Daniel b. 1768 Hopkinton

Robert m. 1st Eda ALLEN, 2nd Judith HOYT

By Eda:
Nathaniel <----my ancestor (did not find microfilm)

Nathaniel m. Ruth SARGENT and had (same microfilm #):

Nathaniel Columbus b. 1820 Newburg NH
Caroline Ruth b. 1821 Newburg, NH
William Cheever b. 1822
Hazen b. 1824 Concord, NH <-----my ancestor

Hazen m. Eliza SHEDD and had:

Edward Sawtelle b. 1842 (have LDS ordinances)<--my ancestor
Clara Eliza b. 1858 (LDS ordinances)
Arthur Hazen b. 1870 (LDS Ordinances)

This is not researching the first four generations from William but if it helps anyone else at least this is something concrete!

Cathy Knowlton
cmacq@aol.com

Date: 15 Feb 96 19:11:46 EST
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Abraham Knowlton house, Ipswich, MA

Bad news for the Knowltons. I copy a message from Marge Robie below.

The Nursing Home Trustees plan to demolish the Knowlton House soon. We have had no response to the offer to secure the house or a later one to help get funds for renovation that are available. They may not even allow for a researcher to document the house. As long as it stands, we won't give up.

From: mclark@tiac.net (Hollick & Clark)
To: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Chas. Anderson, The Great Migration Begins
References: <4g0rnp$lvk@seralph9.essex.ac.uk>
Organization: Hollick & Clark

In article <4g0rnp$lvk@seralph9.essex.ac.uk>, "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com> wrote:

> > Ladd is not mentioned in [Charles] Anderson's new work
> >"The Great Migration Begins 1620-1633" which would indicate he came after
> >1633.
>
> Does anyone reading this have a copy of this new work and are you willing to
> check it for me? Looking for Knowlton, also Nolton, Knoulton, etc.
>[any name,
> probably Ann, John, Samuel, William, or Thomas]. They may have arrived via
> Canada settling eventually in Ipswich.

Neither Knowlton, Knoulton nor Nolton are mentioned in this work as main entries (i.e. people who arrived definitively before 1633). Pope's Pioneers of Massachusetts notes that John was in Ipswich in 1639 and Thomas and William were not there until 1641.

Martin E. Hollick

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:37:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Knowlton 
Subject: Looking for Knowlton friends.

Dear all Knowltons.

I just joined this group, and I would like to hear from some of you. I'm 13 years old, 5'2", brown hair, blue eyes, and in 8th grade. I like to listen to music, watch t.v., do stuff with my friends, but I usually use our computer. You should also be hearing from my dad. He just joined this group, too. His name is Herb. Ohhh. Duh. My name is Mark Knowlton. Please write back with your response. BYE! P.S. I'm male.

Sincerely,

Mark
(marker@grfn.org)

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:35:16 -0500
X-Sender: kenm@mail.lglobal.com
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Knowlton Plantation, Perthshire, MS

Although we want to find uplifting things about our ancestors, research reveals all parts of life, including the downside.
Last weekend I opened my New York Times Book Review to a wonderful review of Anthony Walton's An American Journey (Knopf) to find it illustrated with the photograph of a black woman chopping cotton on the Knowlton Plantation, Perthshire, MS, 1940. I felt both embarrassed and curious. When you have a surname like Knowlton you know that you are probably related to every other American with that name over the past 400 years.
Who had owned the Knowlton plantation? Was it a descendant of one of the few Knowltons to migrate south of the Mason Dixon line before the Civil War? Or was it a more recent settler? Perthshire is near the Mississippi River, just a little south of Memphis. A little census work would probably answer my question.
It reminded me of some Knowlton information I found last summer in an Ulster Co., NY, history. Daniel Knowlton (probably the grandson of Ephraim, 1676-ca. 1735, who migrated from Massachusetts to New York) lived all or most of his life in this county along the Hudson River between New York City and Albany. He, like other New Yorkers who could afford it at the time, owned a slave named James York. Towards the end of the 18th century, Daniel and his wife Jemima sold some land to Quakers for their meeting house. The Knowltons had been Congregationalists when they left Massachusetts and Presbyterians when that was the local church. Daniel's brother who moved to Canada was a Baptist preacher. But perhaps these Quakers influenced Daniel in some way because in 1800, years before slavery was abolished in New York, Daniel manumitted James. Now James paid money for his freedom, but I still wonder why and how Daniel (and perhaps Jemima) came to this decision. Daniel, unlike his siblings, died in Ulster County about 30 years later. What happened to James York? It would be interesting to trace his life too.
If you want to know more concerning New York up to the Civil War, I recommend Banished Children of Eve, a novel about the Irish in that city. Although it is not a great literary work, the author did a lot of research on the time and creates characters to represent free Blacks, those of Dutch descent, the "newer" Anglos, Irish who had lived in New York for some time, and the new Irish immigrant.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:35:22 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: CMacQ@aol.com
Subject: "Genealogies of the Families of Braintree, Ma."

Received the following information from someone on ROOTS-L who is indexing a micro-film of the book "Genealogies of the Families of Braintree, Ma." 1640-1850, by Waldo C. Sprague. (NEHGS)

There may be more Knowlton's listed, but the person I received this from has not finished indexing all the names. Has anyone else taken a look at this book/microfilm? I'd be interested in knowing who else might be listed.

*************************************************
                            Knowlton                         2964

Charles W. married   Sally

First taxed in Quincy 1811 as Charles Nolton, then as Chas. W.
Knowlton 1812, 1813.

          Children of Charles W. & Sally born at Quincy

George Washington   Dec.11,1811
Edward Hamilton     Sep.25,1813

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                              Bass                           387R

Moses Belcher5 (Moses4Joseph3John2Samuel1) Bass

born Jul.20,1735 at Boston.

died Jan.31,1817 a. 83 at Boston, Tomb 184, Granary Burying Ground.

married 1st Mar.9,1769 at Boston, Elizabeth Wimble (or Wimple),
born Jan.17,1754 at Boston (bapt. Feb.10,1754, Christ Ch. Boston
Rec.), buried Jun.13,1770 a. 17, Christ Ch., Boston Rec., dau. of
William & Elizabeth (Wright) Wimble.

married 2nd Apr.29,1773 at Hingham?, Margaret Sprague, born
Nov.24,1744 at Hingham, died Nov.22,1784, dau. of John & Margaret
(Webb) Sprague.

      Children of Moses Belcher & Elizabeth born at Boston

Elizabeth      Dec.25,1769, m. Apr.27,1806 at Boston, Nathaniel
               Smith of Pembroke.

 Children of Moses Belcher & Margaret born at -(Bass Gen. 1940)

Margaret       Feb.11,1774, died Sep.24,1774.
Moses          Feb.18,1775, died Sep.26,1776 a. 19mo. 7ds., gs.,
               Hingham Center Cem.
Elijah         Aug.3,1776, died Oct.2,1778.
Joseph         Aug.26,1778, died Dec.22,1803 at Bath, Me.
Margaret       Feb.19,1780, died Aug.15,1781.
Margaret       Feb.15,1782, m. Dec.16,1802 at Boston, Ebenezer
               Knowlton.
Mary Butler    Jan.4,1784, m. Sep.30,1806 at Boston, Elisha Smith of Salem.

                                                              387
S.P.115-88: Will of Moses Belcher Bass, late of Boston,
upholsterer, but now of Pembroke, Capt. Nathaniel Smith of Pembroke executor.
To three daus. Elizabeth wife of Capt. Nathaniel Smith of Pembroke, Margaret
Knowlton of Boston (widow of Ebenezer) & Mary B. Smith wife of Elisha of
Pembroke, all estate. Real estate, house in Rainsford's Lane, Boston to be
sold only by consent of all.
Jun.5,1813 - Feb.10,1817.

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                              Bass                            414

John Benjamin8 (Benjamin7Jonathan6-5John4-3-2Samuel1) Bass born Aug.3,1827
(1827 gs.)(Bass Gen.1940).

(bapt. Dec.9,1844 with other children), died Feb.19,1889 (1869 gs.) at
Quincy.

married Jun.23,1852, Caroline Shattuck Knowlton of Milford, N.H., born
Oct.2,1827 at Milford, N.H., died Jul.23,1890 a. 62 (suicide) at Quincy, dau.
of Samuel D. & Mary or Nancy (Shattuck) Knowlton.

He was a Civil War veteran, and was postmaster at Quincy. He was a carriage
painter in 1850, lived with parents. Removed to Chicago before the Civil War.

                Children of John B. & Caroline S.


Arthur K.           died Oct.26,1854 a. 1mo. at Quincy.

+ George Samuel     born Jul.7,1860 at Chicago, Ill.

*************************************************

                              Thayer                         4720

Josiah6 (Josiah5Nathaniel4-3Richard2-1) born Jan.28,1752

bapt. Mar.29,1752 in So. Parish by Rev. S. Niles.
died Feb.9,1814 a.62, gs., Amherst (also in Belchertown Ch.Rec.) married 1st
intention Dec.28,1771, Avis Hayward, born Nov.21,1752, died Nov.29,1795 in
44th yr., gs., Amherst, dau. of Joseph & Sarah (Wild) Hayward.
married 2nd Lois - (Knight?) who died Feb.11,1814 a.61, gs., at
Amherst (also in Belchertown Ch.Rec).

He was a Revolutionary Soldier 1775. He removed in 1784 to Amherst where he
bought 100 acres on the Pelham line Mar.23,1784 (Old Hampshire Deeds 22-491).
He left a
will dated Feb.9,1814 mentioning wife Lois, eldest son Sever
Thayer, eldest daughter Sally Dodge, son Charles, son Hosea's child Susanna,
son Josiah, son Stephen, son Nathan, son Zedock, heirs of son Jacob deceased,
Maria, Jacob, and Mary, son Joseph, daughter Mary Draper, son Asahel, son
Martin, son Luther. Son Asahel Thayer executor. Division was made to heirs of
Hosea & Jacob Thayer, to Nathan Thayer, to Salome wife of Zebulon Dodge, to
Asahel Thayer, to Seva, Charles, Josiah, Stephen, Joseph, Mary wife of Frost
Draper, Martin and Luther Thayer. 

The births of his children are not on record and are taken from the Thayer
Gen. (1876). The first eight children were doubtless born at Braintree and
the rest at Amherst.

                              Thayer                         4721

     Children of Josiah & Avis born at Braintree & Amherst (not
     recorded)(from Thayer Gen.) Sever (or Seva or Sceva) Apr.13,1772, m. -,
died Nov.28,1826 at Petersburg, Va., murdered, (R.I. V.R. Vol.19 etc.) Salome
   Jan.12,1774, m. int. Nov.26,1795 at Belchertown, Zebulon Dodge. Charles
  Nov.9,1775, m. Patience Hunt of Sudbury. Removed to
Dresden, Me. Hosea     Mar.15,1778, prob. m. int. Nov.2,1805 at Ashfield,
Hannah Torrey.
Josiah    Aug.8,1779, m. Elizabeth Brown of Douglas, Mass. Resided there and
in Thompson, Conn.
Stephen   Aug.8,1779, m. Olive Gerauld. Resided in Boston where he died 1828
a.49.
Nathan    Jun.24,1781, m. Rhene Clough of Pelham. Resided in
Boston, Pelham & Amherst.
Zadock    Dec.9,1782, died Aug.30,1814 a.32, gs., at Amherst.
Jacob     Aug.17,1784, m. 1st Deborah Knowlton of Lancaster, m. 2nd Mary
Phipps of Boston where he died Jun.13,1811 a.26.
Joseph    Jun.30,1786, m. 1st Susanna Cannon of Greenwich, m. 2nd Anna L.
Garfield of Morristown, N.J.
Mary      Apr.9,1788, m. int. Sep.13,1812 at Uxbridge, Frost Draper.
Asahel    Feb.10,1790, m. Mary Cannon (int. Mar.27,1813 at Barre) Resided in
Amherst.
Martin    Aug.17,1792, m. 1st Eliza M. -, 2nd Mary J. -. Resided in Amherst &
Phila., Pa. and Petersburg, Va.
Luther    Oct.8,1794, perhaps m. int. Oct.11,1812 at Pittston, Me., Susanna
Alexander.

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:35:29 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Braintree, MA, Genealogies

Re: Knowltons found in Genealogies of the Families of Braintree, MA, by Waldo C. Sprague

The item about Charles W. Knowlton of Quincy, MA, reminded me of an idea I had. Despite having a name index for Stocking, what I often really need is a place index.
If you have traced your Knowltons back to, say, Hopkinton, MA, but can't find them in Stocking's History, a place index would allow you to research in detail all earlier Knowltons who ever lived in that town. Sooner or later, with a weird surname like ours, you would make the connection.
I checked many Charles Knowltons born around 1780-1790 without finding one who married Sally and lived in Quincy. If only I were able to look up Quincy. I wonder if several of us could form an indexing circle to index at least a portion of Stocking's place names. Let me know if you are interested.
By the way, I was at first surprised to see that Charles did not appear as a first name for American Knowltons until after the American Revolution. Then I remembered that they were dissenters, e.g. anti-monarchists. Of course they would not name their children for Charles I or II of England.

*****
Margaret Bass Knowlton was the second wife and widow of Ebenezer Knowlton (#780 in the corrected Stocking) died Dec. 22, 1810. He was a cabinet maker and dealer in Boston. By his two wives he had five children, one a son, Ebenezer (2919) born in 1805. He became a scrivener [now how many of you have actually heard of scriveners outside of Melville?] and died unmarried in Philadelphia, PA, at 7 Stanley St., in 1846. But his youngest sister, Mary Elizabeth Knowlton Whiton (2921) , was still alive in 1902 (aged about 96) to give George H. Knowlton these corrections.

*****
Caroline Shattuck Knowlton Bass (1811) was indeed the daughter of Samuel (675) and Nancy Shattuck Knowlton. Stocking says he resided all his life in Amherst, NH, and was a terminus of the underground railroad for escaping slaves (p. 140). Nothing is said about his daughter's suicide, of course. I wonder how the Braintree genealogy book got ahold of the information.

*****
Deborah Knowlton (910) who married Jacob Thayer was the daughter of Asa Knowlton (397) and Sarah Hadley of Lancaster, MA. Deborah died in 1809.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:35:35 -0500
To: knowlton@benetech.com
From: robert.magnan@magnapubs.com
Subject: Knowlton plantation

Elizabeth:

Your recent message on the Knowlton plantation in Perthshire MS, "near the Mississippi River, just a little south of Memphis," made me curious.

I recently met through an education discussion list a Dave Knowlton, who teaches at Memphis State University. When I contacted him (of course!) about a possible connection, he told me that he knew little about his family except that they had "landed in the northeast" and "came down the east coast and across Alabama, Mississippi, and into Arkansas." He didn't give any indication of times, unfortunately.

So, Elizabeth, if you're curious, you might want to email Dave with a few questions. Maybe he's part of that branch ... or at least knows something about the Knowlton plantation, considering the geographic proximity ....

His address: DSKNOWLTON@msuvx2.memphis.edu

Bob
Robert Magnan
Magna Publications, Inc.
2718 Dryden Drive
Madison WI 53704-3086
U.S.A.
Ph: 608/246-3590 x 107
Fax: 608/246-3597
Email: Robert.Magnan@Magnapubs.com

Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:29:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Patricia Snyder <cardinal@dfw.net>
Subject: Knowlton

Sorry if this is far off the mark. There are Knowltons in Athens and Vinton Co. Ohio in the early 1800's (or possibly a little earlier).  I am really trying to search for info on the family of Achilles and Eliz Atkins in Ross who were allied with these Vinton and Athens Co. people through King, Robinett and Holdren, who were neighbors of Knowltons.

Also, I am looking for the parents of Margaret Robinett who married George Holdren. I know this is a long shot but Knowlton is not that common.

Thanks,. Pat Snyder

From: forager@usinternet.com (Glen Pettit)
Subject: Knowlton

Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:58:50 -0600

I am trying to find a connection with anyone who might know of a Knowlton/Tuey marriage which would have occured in the first half of the 1800s in Canada West. Currently, I don't have first names. I only know the connection happened. A man by the name of Tuey married a widow by the name of Knowlton. The widow Knowlton had children ranging from very young to teens. The younger children changed their last names to Tuey, but the older children retained the Knowlton name.

If anyone has any information on this marriage, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks
Glen Pettit
glen8851@aol.com or forager@usinternet.com

Date: 29 Feb 96 21:19:05 EST
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Tuey/Knowlton, Canada

[from note above]

I am trying to find a connection with anyone who might know of a Knowlton/Tuey marriage ...

Elizabeth

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