From: Cknowlton1@aol.com

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:50:44 -0400

Subject: Knowlton Family Bible?

Cathy Knowlton

cknowlton1@aol.com

Date: 15 May 96 23:05:10 EDT

From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>

Subject: Knowlton/Denny Bible

Well, as Cathy probably knows, this is the Bible of Charles L. Knowlton (#3359) and Emma Denny. The Knowlton history gives them only two daughters, but the others may have died. They lived in Geneva, Kansas, Charles's family having migrated out from Massachusetts through Indiana.

I traced them back to Thomas (21) Knowlton and Margery Goodhue, of Ipswich, etc. The Bible family pages (and title page) could at least be copied to send to the Ipswich library and to the New England society (excuse my late night typing--skimping on checking societies). I suspect the surname died out in the family, why it ended up without a home. Institutions do not generally want the whole Bibles, but the family pages should definitely be copied as they supplement vital records.

You Old Archivist--Elizabeth Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:49:46 -0400

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From: AWBoyd@aol.com (by way of Ken McEvoy <kenm@benetech.com>)

Subject: Knowlton Genealogy

Hi,

I am interested in the families of Stillman Knowlton and Newton Knowlton. Each of these men married into one of my family lines: Stillman married Cornelia Hyatt, and Newton married Laura Turner. Are these two men familiar to you? Any information on them would be appreciated.

Anne W. Boyd

Reston, VA 22090

Date: 23 May 96 22:45:21 EDT

From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>

Subject: Stillman and Newton Knowlton

Anne, Yes, these are well-documented Knowltons, part of the crowd who went to Stukely, Quebec Province, Canada, from Massachusetts after the Revolutionary War.

Asaph and Lyman Knowlton were brothers. Lyman and his wife Relief Whitcomb had eight children, the sixth of which was Newton, born Sep. 8, 1815. His father and uncle Asalph had both removed from Templeton, MA, to South Stukely, Canada. Newton married Laura Turner, as you said.

Asalph and his wife Betsey Sawyer had nine children, the second of which was Amasa E. Knowlton, born 1810 and married Harriet Lewis in 1836. Their first child was Stillman, born Feb. 19, 1837. He married Cornelia Hyatt Sep. 14, 1858.

Since Newton and Amasa were first cousins, Newton and Stillman were first cousins once removed.

This information plus more about the Knowlton settlers of South Stukely, Quebec, many of them prominent people in their community, is in Charles Stocking's history of the Knowltons, pub. in 1897 (which should not be used without Geo. Knowlton's Errata and Addenda, pub. 1903).

Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Hunter <sthunter@teleport.com>
To: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Stillman and Newton Knowlton

Elizabeth and All,

There is a Stillman Knowlton at Athol, Mass., in the 1850 census index. Could this be the same Stillman? Does Stocking say anything about it. I also have notes from _Vital Records of New Salem, Mass._ of simply "Stillman Knowlton, grantee 1843-48". It's hard to believe there were lots of Stillman Knowltons around. That's a great name.  

Steve Hunter

Date: 27 May 96 15:57:08 EDT
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stillman Knowlton

Actually there were at least four Stillman Knowltons, all in Massachusetts and all cousins or nephews of each other. Steve, what was the name of your Athol, MA, Stillman's wife? Or children, if she is not present on the 1850 census? Elizabeth Knowlton

Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 11:43:36 -0400

From: Ken McEvoy <kenm@benetech.com>

Subject: Knowlton questions ...
>
>Two questions: (from Jeff Knowlton - JKnowlton@why.net)
>
>1. What is the likelyhood of all Knowlton's in the U.S. being related?

Slim to non-existent ... as long as we're talking about relations which are provable at some point. If you've checked out the genealogies on the Knowlton home pages, I'm in an Irish Knowlton line (Robert Knowlton), which has no known connection the the Ipswich Knowltons. Maybe, with luck, we can determine a connection in England prior to the two branches leaving for Ireland and the New World (I should also admit that I've extended the "U.S." of your question to encompass North America, and not just the U.S. Some members of my family moved to Ohio, and presumably spread out from there).  

>2. Does anyone know anything about a Knowlton Dairy in Texas (Austin area)? Sorry, ... not my part of the country (oops ... continent :-).  

Regards, Ken McEvoy

Date: 25 May 96 21:44:17 EDT

From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>

Subject: Knowltons in Ireland

With the exact same information as Ken, I feel surer than ever that all Knowltons are related. Is this a sign of my optimism? I doubt it. Over the years I have come upon an Asian-American Knowlton (he took his wife's surname) and various people who took their mothers' name or were adopted by Knowltons. Otherwise, I can trace everybody back to New England EXCEPT in this very interesting situation, that Ken mentioned and I have researched too, of Irish named Knowlton coming into Ontario in the early 19th century.

When I first discovered this, I went to my LDS Family History Center and did a search on just about every Irish county for Ken, just to see where the Knowltons lived. You may know that the majority of Church of Ireland parish records were burned during the revolution in 1922. Many Roman Catholic records, not gathered into Dublin like the C of I ones, still survive and are being indexed. Then there are the records of Presbyterians, etc., who migrated to North Ireland from Scotland. All I wanted was an idea of where the name was prevalent because people did not move around much in Ireland and I knew the surname would be uncommon.

Imagine my surprise to find Eliza Knowlton married Robert Holmes, 24 April 1845, Parish of Ferbane 0393.

Batch/Film M701617 Serial/Sheet 0449

That was the only entry in the 28 most likely counties I checked. Ferbane is in County Offaly, a county heavily controlled by the Anglo-Irish and known formerly as Kings Co.

The reason I was surprised was that I have traced my matrilineal line back to the Hackett family of Co. Offaly, in a parish about three miles from Ferbane. The Hacketts came into Ireland with King John around 1200 and lived in County Tipperary, where they had been given land, and County Offaly from then until very recently. Their pedigree is in the Genealogical Office in Dublin (which I know thanks to very dedicated and hardworking researchers I met on-line). These English-identified families intermarried with each other and rarely mixed with the native Irish. Sometimes it was even illegal to do so.

What I am suggesting is that Eliza Knowlton and Robert Holmes were part of a tightly-knit community and may have left written pedigrees behind also.

When I went back to the Knowlton history on another errand, I was reminded that some of the famous Knowlton horticulturalists, the ones who stayed in England, worked for people who owned homes around Great Britain and Ireland. "The Duke of Devonshire also owned the Irish estate of Lismore on the banks of the Blackmore River (seized of course by Queen Elizabeth I from the Irish). Thomas Knowlton traveled to Lismore 'frequently' and had an office in the quadrangle of the old castle; he declined a permanent position there, however, although he assisted Sir William, ninth Duke, in the making of another model village in Lismore." If Thomas at one time sought his fortune in Ireland around 1800, likely other English did also. Perhaps one was a Knowlton who settled in Co. Offaly.

Recently I read a book, ROUGHING IT IN THE BUSH, by Susanna Moodie, an Englishwoman, about her life as a settler in Upper Canada (western Ontario) in the 1830's. I soon had a picture of many middle and upper middle class people without any future in England coming to settle this then "uninhabited" (Native Americans did not count) area. Several described were Irish gentlemen, youngest sons and so forth. It was easy to picture Ken's ancestor among these immigrants.

As to the Texas dairy, I rounded a curve on US 1 in Maine about 20 years ago and saw the same thing. Anyone serious about tracing Knowlton dairy farmers could check business directories, newspapers, and censuses for the time period.

Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 22:54:32 -0400

From: "marciabt@tiac.net" <marciabt@zork.tiac.net>

Subject: Marcia Knowlton

I am a Knowlton living in Essex, MA, only one town away from Ipswich, MA which is the center of the original Knowlton lineage. I am descended from John Knowlton b. 1610.

I would like to communicate with others who are interested in the family, and am occasionally available to look up info at the Ipswich Public Library.  

Please send email.

From: Cknowlton1@aol.com

Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 02:44:11 -0400

Subject: RE: Knowlton Dairy

Jeff Knowlton wrote:

2. Does anyone know anything about a Knowlton Dairy in Texas (Austin area)? When I was going to college and working in a restaurant in Austin, TX, I opened the walk-in cooler to find it packed with dairy products bearing my last name.

This brought to mind a glass jar my folks have which has engraving reading KNOWLTON VACUUM - (under that) a star - (under that) FRUIT JAR. It also has one of those aluminum lids on it, it's the kind of jar that you can find in most antique shops. Where it came from I don't know but it is interesting seeing and hearing about all the different things that this name pops up on!

Sorry Jeff but I don't know anything about the dairy, though it's fun hearing about it.

Cathy Knowlton
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