Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:14:34 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Knowlton House

New information on the status of the Abraham Knowlton house in Ipswich, MA, slated to be destroyed for a nursing home parking lot.

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From: marge robie, [70521,2435]
TO: Elizabeth W. Knowlton, [75013,1446]
DATE: 12/31/96 7:30 AM

RE: Knowlton House

Hi Elizabeth,
I do hope you come to MA and that we can meet. The address is 16-18 County Street. The house will be around for a while. MEPA said that a memorandum of agreement with Mass Historical must be part of the final Environmental Impact report. So far no talk has begun. New property is going to be available across the street. They can expand there.

Happy New Year.

Marjorie

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:50:56 -0500

From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>

Subject: Samuel Knowlton, Jory's Grandfather 
Hi Jory, Sure we can help you. I take it your father Robert was born in 1933. Do you have his birth certificate and his father's death certificate? If you do, give us a little more information. If you do not, tell us where your grandfather died, and we will get you started ordering them.

Knowlton genealogy is like all genealogy. First you interview the people at home, which you have. Next you begin to collect the rec <some text lost …>

Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:48:14 -0500
From: Peter Knowlton <105265.3721@compuserve.com>
Subject: Knowlton Family Geneology

My name is Peter Knowlton and I was referred by brother Benjamin Knowlton for the subject as stated above. If you can provide me with any information on the interest of Knowlton family matters I would be interested.

Thanks,
Peter Knowlton
My mail address is:
P O Box 3111
Industry, CA 91744

From: darrellm@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:10:25 -0800
Subject: Re: Knowlton Family Geneology

Hi, Peter:

There is plenty of help here, and welcome! You will (probably) get several messages like this, so hang in with us and lets see what happens.

There are probably dozens of people named Knowlton, and hundreds (like myself) related to Knowltons, who frequent this list. Some of us are closely related; some are very distant cousins; some have found no connection to each other (YET!? {grin}). So we'll need some help from you to get started.

First, tell us in succinct form what you already know. Trace your Knowlton line back to the earliest ancester you are sure of. Post a SIMPLE version of it to the list and ask if anyone connects. (Include dates and places where known.)

Second, ask a specific question. Example: "Does anyone know the parents of John Knowlton, born probably in Ohio in 1817? He married Mary Smith in Aurora, Illinois in June 1858. It was probably his second marriage." Or something like that. A lot of us, not from snobbishness but from lack of time, do not respond to general queries like, "Tell me everything anyone knows about the Johnson family in New York in the 1850's."

Third, and more important if you post to lists like ROOTS-L, put a clear, brief summary of what you are looking for in the subject line of your message. "Help me please ..." "Can anybody ..." "Aunt Susie wants to know ..." will not get as positive a response as "Seek William Knowlton, lived Xenia OH 1792-1854". These aren't RULES; just suggestions.

Again, welcome, cousin?? And good hunting.

Darrell A. Martin
formerly of Springfield, VT
currently in exile in Wheaton, IL
darrellm@sprynet.com

From: Udmacon@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:33:18 -0500
Subject: "Knowlton Hall"

Would the kind person who posted the "Knowlton Hall" website please do so again? I tried it and AOL said it was not a URL it could reach. Perhaps I copied it down wrong ( I noted there was no "www" in the listing, is that right?).

Thanks!
BILL KNOWLTON

Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 02:47:04 -0800
From: "William Dale Allen Sr." <ballensr@concentric.net>
To: knowlton@benetech.com

Subject: Material on Walter Ray Knowlton

Provided you missed my last query on material on Walter Ray's line of Knowltons, please give us some idea of the kinds of records that are suitable for the Knowlton Genealogy web site. We will be glad to copy and mail whatever is appropiate.

Yours truly,
William Dale Allen
BAllenSr@juno.com

From: KCLind@aol.com

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:57:34 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Daniel Knowlton

Still searching and searching for my Knowltons. I may have found a link but it may be a very weak one. Interested in anyone who is related or has info on Daniel E. Knowlton. He had a son named Charles F. Knowlton born in 1847 in New York.

Also any info on Samuel Richard Knowlton born in New York, 1-9-1849 and married Hellen Robinson, also born in New York in 1851.

Any help will be appreciated.

Peggy K. (KCLind@aol.com)

From: S1994s@aol.com

Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:23:53 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Knowlton

Looking for information on Eli Knowlton Parrsboro Nova Scotia married to Loaurette Collins Eli died c1908 when his ship the "Ladysmith" sunk in Boston Harbor. Also looking for information on Arthur Leonard Knowlton born Feb. 28, 1882-3-4 Parrsboro Nova Scotia.

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:36:40 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Knowlton research by Andrew Reno

What a message from Andrew Reno recently! I feel invigorated just to hear of his research to the roots of Knowlton immigrants. Thanks for the comments about Stocking and Geo. Knowlton--exactly right--first you use Stocking, then you correct with the Errata, and finally you contradict them both with original data you dig up yourself. That is, if you can use Stocking at all. Perhaps we are better off not being able to and thus learning to do original research.

As to William Knoulton and Elizabeth Blake in Wiltshire, England.

There is a new thought! My recollection some months ago is that someone suggested Elizabeth Balch from Torrey's New England Marriages Before 1700 (the gist of the title). It would not include English marriages. Andrew quotes from Ipswich (published?) records that William married E Blake--

> from Parish Register of Winterbourne, Dauntsey, Wilts, England. (letter from H.B. Alexander.) Written into the Ipswich Vital Records, II-266, by T.F.Waters.<

Who are Alexander and Waters? When and where did Alexander do his/her research? Did anyone check LDS Winterbourne parish records? Did this family have christenings and burials there in the parish, thus ruling out William being Ipswich William (3)?

We may be demolishing the whole family myth! The connection with Knowlton, Kent. The story of the brothers coming with father and mother on a ship together in the 1630's. We know that they were brothers (John, William, Thomas) because Thomas says so in various documents. But even these "facts" can be interpreted in several ways.

By the way, I just got a copy of Thomas' bond with great nephew Nathaniel ca 1688 that names all the various relatives. It is in Stocking, but this is in the handwriting. Would love to have a bit of it on the Web.

Well, it is too late here for me to continue cogently. Read the message earlier but ran out to hear Peter Loewer on "Murder in the Garden," a rambling monologue on how to knock off everyone you know with simple garden plant. 

Hope we get some response here.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:58:04 -0800
From: GORDON KNOWLTON <"knowlton "@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: KNOWLTON FAMILY

HI, I AM NEW TO THE INTERNET AND FOUND YOUR FILE ON THE KNOWLTON FAMILY. MY NAME IS DELBERT KNOWLTON AND I RESIDE IN WINNIPEG, MANITOBA, CANADA. I COME FROM A LINE OF KNOWLTON'S THAT RESIDE IN PLASTER ROCK, NEW BRUNSWICK, CANADA. OUR DESCENDANTS COME FROM SCOTLAND. THERE IS ONE KNOWLTON IN PLASTER ROCK, DORIS KNOWLTON, THIS IS MY SISTER IN LAW, SHE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ON THE KNOWLTON FAMILY. SHE IS NOT ON THE WEB. HOWEVER, I WILL PRINT OFF YOUR WORK AND SEND IT TO HER BY MAIL. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS SOME RELATION TO YOUR FAMILY HISTORY TO OURS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF THERE WAS.

From: KCLind@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Roma Duncan and Randy Creelman (Knowlton history)

How do I get in touch with either of the people named above. i have read and reread the "Knowltons of Nova Scotia" and I believe there is a link for me there. (of course I am researching my line of Knowltons)

Thank you in advance.

Peggy Knowlton
(KCLind@aol.com)

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:33:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen R Simonton <simonton@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Knowlton Family

Hi! I saw your listing on the Brome Co. Surname Board. My great great grandfather, Jonas Rooney, and his second wife Margaret Hamilton had a daughter Margaret. Margaret married Stephen Knowlton in 1862. I know they had four children: Lucy Jane, Forrest parker, Stephen and John Clark Jr. I have just received this information from a cousin in Ontario so I know very little about the family. Is there any connection?

Kate Simonton
Santa Cruz, CA

From: mackay@direct.ca
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:43:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Eli Knowlton

Stephen's problem with Stocking is precisely the one I encountered with my gggrandfather Stephen (middle name possibly Upham, but not seen anywhere except in Stocking) Knowlton, Stocking #9, p551, the husband of Diadama Duff. That is, either the proofreader or Stocking himself suffered a lapse.

Nathan Upham and Eleanor Knowlton lived at Onslow, NS. Their children were:Zerviah, Stephen, Sarah, Abby, Nathan, Daniel, Luke, David, Robert, and Elizabeth. Stephen Upham married Mary Bulmer. (The Upham Genealogy, F.K. Upham, pp111-112, published 1892).

Hope this establishes permanently that Stocking's #9, the so-called Stephen Upham, was really Stephen Knowlton. It follows therefore that James, 1818, m. to Rosamond Allen is actually James Knowlton, #21, and the father of Eli Knowlton, #50. See below for some confirming evidence; I have more in my files in the shape of deeds and wills.

According to Stocking's Appendix on Knowltons of Nova Scotia, Eli, born 1853, was the son of "James Upham [actually Knowlton] and Rosamond Allen. [Eli] m. R. Collins; m. 2nd E. MacAurthur" Eli Knowlton, born 1853, Parrsboro, appears on a list, held by the Public Archives of Canada, of those qualifying for Masters and Mates Certificates. His certificate is #1320, qualified as Master in 1879.

An Eli Knowlton appears on the index to marriage licences of Nova Scotia, licence #112, page 172, 1879. The information given on actual licence transcriptions includes names of parents of both parties and occupation of fathers. I have not seen the licence, since Eli was not the object of my research.

Hope this helps all of us.

Audrey Mackay Shane
mackay@direct.ca

From: mackay@direct.ca
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 17:31:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Digging the true roots?

Before I ever caught up with a copy of Stocking, which I still do not own, I was cheerfully looking in all directions for 17 C English Knowltons. Got as far as a gazeteer which showed "Knowlton, a hamlet 3 mi. SW of Cranborne, Dorset, and Knowlton Park, about 5 mi. NE of the main Canterbury/Dover Road. Picked up a few references from the Cranbourne area, then read Stocking. Sounded plausible. That was almost twenty years ago, and like everyone else I've been searching in Kent for the elusive William (between other projects, like working) ever since.

Now I agree with Elizabeth and Andrew that we should approach the problem with open minds. Therefore I'm tossing out for chat those long ago scraps which came from Phillimore's transcribed parish marriage records.

Knolton, Anne married Hughe Browne, 27 July, 1589, Chalfont St. Peter

Knowlton, Benjamin, of Agmondesham (otherwise Amersham) married Sarah --, on the 30th July, 1625, Chalfont St. Giles

Knowlton, Eliz. widow married Nov. 1600 to Wm. Plater, Amersham

Knolton, Ealse, married Matthewe Sharowe, Apr. 22, 1606 at Berkhamsted, Herts

Knowlton, Ellise, married Bernard Hogbourne, Dec. 28, Middlesex Parish Reg. Vol. 1

Knolton, Elis, married John Bridgefoot Oct. 22 1696, Stoke Poges

Knolton, Helena, married Wm. Weilde June 7, 1591, Amersham

Knolton, Jone, married Thomas Holte, Berkhamsted, Herts.

Knowlton, Lucy, married John Treadway, Feb. 7, 1694, Stoke Poges

and my top favorite:

Knolton, Wm. married Margery Nellson, July 27, 1612, Stoke Poges

I also have a few more from a computer search of the IGI in 1991 which I believe the LDS would not mind my posting for our research. Follows in another posting if you want it.

Regards
Audrey
mackay@direct.ca

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:09:39 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <75013.1446@compuserve.com>
Subject: Lorenzo D.

How fascinating! The many Lorenzo D.'s--probably after Lorenzo De Medici, don't you all think? Unless there is some famous politician of the early 19th century named Lorenzo. This is not helping Claude, I know, but I like to figure out the why's of what we find. There has been discussion on Genuki recently about Alonzo (very popular in 19th century and in one of my Knowlton families). I myself have been trying to figure out my great grandfather Del'Orme Knowlton's name for many years. Del'orme was the name of an early French architect, but I doubt whether my NY farmer ancestors ad heard of him.

I don't think, however, that Claude should eliminate the possibility that Minerva had a child by one of those men still married to the same wife in 1860 as in 1850.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 75013.1446@compuserve.com

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:33:31 -0500 (EST)
From: beckwith@mail.sover.net (Claude R.Beckwith)
Subject: Minerva's child

As Elizabeth just wrote about Minerva possibly having the child by one of the Lorenzo's who remained married. I do think it is possible and the Lorenzo Kinnie in Norwich Vt had a son Lorenzo who was 12 in 1850 that fits real well with the time frame that Minerva returned in. Because Minerva had just returned from Michigan I also have looked in that direction. Plus it was Gold Rush Time.

Oh well maybe I'll get thru this. At least at this point I feel very sure that Minerva the daughter of Elisha is indeed the one I've searched for for so long.

Claude

From: darrellm@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:04:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Research help request

Hi, Claude and the list:

I'm making this a public reply in order to express an opinion. I think you, Claude, have indeed made the connection. Proof is one thing, but it would be difficult indeed to argue away the congruence of names (even though not perfect) as coincidence. So I'm convinced.

I am especially impressed, and hold you up as a positive example, of not only informing us of your conclusions but of leading us through your reasoning and research leads (even if they didn't pan out). Thanks for that. I don't connect to your Knowlton branch that I know of, but I shall certainly be on the lookout for Lorenzo and Minerva.

Good hunting!!
Darrell A. Martin
formerly of Springfield, VT
currently in exile in Wheaton, IL

From: darrellm@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:23:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Lorenzo D.

Elizabeth and the list:

My understanding is that Lorenzo Dow was an extremely famous travelling evangelist of the period just before a lot of folks named their sons Lorenzo D. {lastname}. I have read that he was the source of the name, and that it showed the remarkable impact he had at the time.

Darrell A. Martin
formerly of Springfield, VT
currently in exile in Wheaton, IL
darrellm@sprynet.com

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