Reading the recent post "I have a history" made me remember a story I had heard concerning William the Conqueror. It was around the time of William's reign after a particularly viscous battle William was so impressed by the fighting of two brothers, he gave them land title grants of two areas hence the names Hil-ton and Knowl-ton. I realize this is very unsubstantiated but it is a cool story.

Randy Knowlton, Project Manager, Silicon Graphics Inc., 715-726-7278
"a really nice guy"

Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:39:11 -0500
From: declark <declark@prodigy.net>
Subject: Thomas Knowlton #41F Stocking

Would anyone be interested in 8 children of Thomas Knowlton and Martha Conant of Middleborough, Mass. ??

His family was not listed in Stocking's and I do not know if any of their children have been posted on the Knowlton Mail list.

I will post if I have a response.
Marcia

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:32:39 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Sandy James' 1940 genealogy

<2. Captain William (b) 1584. Emigrated to America from England in >>>1632.
>>>3. John (b) in 1610 in England. Resided in Ipewich, Mass.
>>>4. John (b)
>>>5. Samuel (b) 1653. Took Freeman's Oath Oct. 13, 1680.>

This genealogy is using the errors of Stocking without the Errata corrections. Samuel (16) b. 1653 in Stocking is not a son of John (5) b 1633, son of John (2) b. 1610. I don't remember offhand if he is a person at all, assigned to someone else.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:56:36 -0800
From: Christopher Lyttle <clyttle@rush.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: BOUNCE ... I have a history ...

My own humble opinion is that it is difficult to judge the value of something without seeing the whole of it. The beginning of this "history" is clearly faulty, but that does not necessarily mean that there is no value to the later parts of the chronology, which would have been closer to the compiler. Each assertion in the chronology should be evaluated on its own merits. It may be that there was a Ebenezer Knowlton born 14 Aug. 1759 at Kensington, N.H., or not. But this "history" provides a clue on where to look for such a person if we are interested in finding him.

Regards, Chris Lyttle

Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:41:25 -0500
From: declark <declark@prodigy.net>
Subject: Thomas Knowlton #41F and children

Thomas Knowlton #41F (Stocking) supposed son of John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards married Martha Conant May 11, 1711 at Beverly,Essex,Mass.(pg. 180 v.r.) both of Ipswich at m. (Ipswich pg 262 v.r.)

Children:
Elijah Knowlton, son of Thomas and Martha his wife, was born at Ipswich Nov 20, 1712 and deceased May ye 24th 1740 in ye 28th yr of his age. Middleborough (pg 82, Vol 2).Mass. Archives

Martha Knowlton, d. Thomas and Martha, his wife, was born Feb 14, 1717/8 Middleborough (pg 82 v.r.Vol. 2) Aug the 26th: 1740: then was married at Middleborough William Lyons and Martha Knowlton, both of Middleborough, pr me Benjm White, Justice of Peace. Middleboro (v.r.)

Thomas Knowlton, s. of Thomas and Martha his wife, was born May 12, 1720 and decd Jun ye 18: 1727 in the 8th yr of her age. Middleboro (pg 82, Vol. 2)

John Knowlton, s. of Thomas and Martha his wife, was born may 27, 1715, Middleboro (pg 82 Vol. 2. v.r.) Feb 14 1741/2: then John Knowlton and Prudance Thomas, both of Middleborough, marryd by me Peter Thacher. Middleboro (pg. 73, Vol. 1.) Mass. Archives

Hannah Knowlton, d. Thomas and Martha his wife, was born Mar 7, 1721/2 and decd March ye 10th: 1729/30 in ye 9th yr of her age. Middleboro (pg 83, Vol. 2, v.r.)

Elisha Knowlton, son of Thomas and Martha, his wife, was born Oct 24, 1724, and decd June ye 11th, 1727 in the 3rd yr of his age. Middleboro (pg 83, Vol. 2, v.r.)

Joshua Knowlton, son of Thomas and Martha, his wife, was born Aug 14, 1727, Middleboro (pg 83 Vol. 2)
m.int. Feb 24, 1749, Joshua Knowlton and Zerviah Bryant, both of Middleborough (Middleboro, pg 83, Vol. 2)
Ratchel Knowlton, dau. of Capt. Thomas, bp. Oct 19, 1714 Ipswich (pg 227 v.r.) Mass. Archives

*****

children of John Knowlton and Purdence Thomas:

Abigail Knolton, dau. of John Knolton by Prudance his wife was born April 10, 1754. Middleboro (pg 95, Vol. 1 v.r.) Mass.Archives m.int. Sept ye 11th, 1779, Mr. Rufus Weston and Mrs. Abigail Knowlton, both of Middleborough. (pg 95, Vol. 1)

Rebekah Knolton, dau. of John Knolton by Prudance his wife was born Nov 12, 1759, Middleboro (pg 95, Vol. 1) certifes that Samuel Reed and Mrs. Rebecca Knowlton both of Middleborough were joined in marriage Jan.17, 1779 by Isaac Backus, Baptist Minister. Middleboro (pg 94, Vol. 2). Mass. Archives.

*****

children of Joshua Knowlton and Zerviah Bryant:
Hezikiah Knolton, son of Joshua and Zerviah his wife was born Aug 28, 1750. Middleboro (pg 95, Vol. 1)
Bethia Knolton, dau. of Joshua and Zeruiah his wife was born Feb 18, 1753. Middleboro. (pg 95, Vol. 1)
Thomas Knolton, s. Joshua and Zeruiah his wife was born March 12, 1756. Middleboro (pg 95, Vol. 1)
Joshua Knolton, s. Joshua and Zeruiah his wife was born Mar 4, 1759. Middleboro (pg 96, Vol. 1)

**

I have not checked yet for children of William Lyons and Martha.
Does anyone have verification that Thomas was son of John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards?? if so, I would like to have that information.
Dau.Rachel, bp. 1714 is the only child that may not be of this family.

Any comments??
Marcia

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:32:44 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Knowlton/Hilton myth

Randy, this is the same story that is printed in the beginning of the Stocking book. We really need to lay it to rest. Our family got its name from living near a community called Knowlton [for town on a knole or hill]. We have not even a hint of a clue that we descend from any titled people.

I find it quite satisfying to be able to trace our hard- working, ingenious, and moral [in terms of having personal ethics] ancestors back so many generations through Puritan New England to England. Since we came from either Kent or possibly Dorset, I am sure we do have mingled Anglo-Saxon, Norman, etc. blood.

I urge more people to visit the area of Kent near the old hamlet of Knowlton before it is changed forever by the Chunnel and creeping development.

Hope I don't sound too irked as I am not, more amused. Am curious as to how all these people who are not on the list get to read our messages. And please do join our listserve so we can answer you directly instead of getting these bounced messages from the webmaster.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 

Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:08:09 -0800
From: Christopher Lyttle <clyttle@rush.edu>
Subject: Re: Sandy James' 1940 genealogy

Greetings,
Let me try this one more time. It seems to me that any value in a "history" such as the one forwarded from Sandy James is likely to be in the later parts:

>>7. Thomas (b) Jan 6, 1708 (m) Anne Chase
>>8.Jonathan
>>8. Thomas
>>8. Ebenezer
>>8. Jonathan (b) June 16, 1739.
>>8. Ebenezer (b) Aug. 14, 1759 at Kensington, N.H.

In fact, Sandy's message suggests the list goes on from this point. If it is brought forward to 1940, then certainly the latest parts would be based on the personal knowledge of the compiler. The fact that the compiler tacked on faulty material from Stocking (as Elizabeth suggests) only shows that the compiler did not know of the shortcomings of this source. The question for anyone researching this line (not me!) is where does the Stocking material end and information original to this compiler begin, and what kind of reliability does this original material have? In any event, we are looking a something that should be used as a guide to further research, not as a solitary primary source.

Kind Regards,
Chris Lyttle (a member of the list)

Researching: LYTTLE, JANES, JONES, RAWSON, FREDENBURG, WHEARTYN, TAFT, HALL, BARROWS, FREEMAN, OLMSTED, RICHARDS, HOWARD, JOY (and hopefully KNOWLTON if I can ever prove a connection) and many others.

Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:09:55 -0500
From: - <rcew@mail2.nai.net>
Subject: various Charles Knowltons

Checking the 1900 census for Ohio for the address of my grandfather that year; I found three Charles Knowltons. None of them served my purpose. Here they are, for whatever help they might be to someone else.

1. Charles Knowlton (b. Ohio, August 1855); Lee Turnpike, Athens, OH
Piricila (sic) his wife (b. Virginia, September 1856)
Floria (dau) (b. Ohio June 1886)
Willie (son) (b. Ohio June 1884)
2. Charles T(?) Knowlton (b. Ohio 1869); New London Twp., New London
Emily G. his wife (b. Ohio October 1870)
3. Charles W. Knowlton (b. Ohio November 1859); Norwood Ave., Toledo
Lilla J his wife (b. Michigan October 1857)
Elizaberth A (dau) (b. Michigan November 1885)

[The last entry on this card is rather interesting]: Wm A. Knowlton his father, (b. Vermont 1831) Age shown as 71 yrs, which does not quite jibe with 1900 but is close enough.

Stocking provides a whole bunch of Wm A Knowltons's. And even more just plain vanilla Wm's. There is a Wm A (S. 4153) born April 1830. But I should tell you that the search which yielded him was cursory and sloppy.

carlisle knowlton
rcew@ct2.nai.net

From: dhay2@ionet.net
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:32:57 -0600
Subject: Looking for Julius Knowlton

Looking for a Julius Knowlton who was born in Conn. around the year 1795 and he married Martha Kent.
Hope some one out there can help me I have not been able to find his parents.

Thank you
Diana

Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:58:57 -0500
from [dhay2@ionet.net]
Subject: Looking for siblings of Sidney Algernon Knowlton

Looking for siblings of Sidney Algernon Knowlton
dhay2@ionet.net

[let this be the benchmark for accurate subject lines! – ed.]

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:03:33 -0600
From: Randy Knowlton <knowlton@sgi.com>
Subject: ship names

I am curious to know if anyone has any information on the ship that carried the early Knowltons' to Nova Scotia

Randy Knowlton, Project Manager, Silicon Graphics Inc., 715-726-7278
"a really nice guy"

From: S1994s@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:23:16 EST
Subject: Re: ship names

The unverifiable story states that William sailed from the port of London for Nova Scotia in 1632-4. Supposedly, William died on the voyage and his widow and children landed in Nova Scotia, but quickly moved to Ipswich Mass.

Ipswich appears to be the center that most of the "William line" evolved from.

Daniel Knowlton born 1726 great-great grandson of William Knowlton was living in Ashford Conn. At the age of nineteen Daniel joined with the British forces who were at war with the French. The British were in control of Nova Scotia, but the French were occupying Cape Breton. The French had built a huge fortress at Fort Louisburg and were seriously threatening the British fisheries.

The Governor of Massachusetts called for a volunteer force to help the British fight against the French at Cape Breton. Daniel joined a force of about 516 men from Connecticut. According to "Stocking" this was the first "united" effort of the colonial troops in a common cause of patriotism and self-defence."

The French were defeated, and in 1758-9 Governor Lawrence of Nova Scotia issued a proclamation inviting settlers to move to his jurisdiction and set up townships. Daniel was among the settlers who took advantage of the land grants. In 176 Daniel moved his family from Ashford Conn. The settlement was in the township of Onslow at the head of Cobequid Basin. Daniel soon moved to Advocate harbor where the Knowlton's became very much involved in ship building and sailing.

The above material was taken from the Reverend Charles Stocking's book, "The History and Genealogy of the Knowltons of England and America." It is my belief that most all of the Knowlton's who trace their line back to Nova Scotia are related.

Stephen Knowlton (great -great- great- great -grandson of Daniel Knowlton)

from ["Jeffrey R. Tooker" <jtooker@ix.netcom.com>]
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:49:53 -0800
Subject: Tucker

I am looking for any information you may have on John Tucker of Hingham Ma. ca. 1636. He married Ann Smith Knowlton widow of Capt. William who was killed of the Nova Scotia coast. All help greatly appreciated.

Jeffrey R. Tooker

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:00:47 EST
from [ArtEKnow@aol.com]
Subject: Knowlton History

On February 7, 1999 I sent an e-mail regarding Hazen Knowlton who I thought could of been my great grandfather. My father's name was Harry Knowlton and my grandfather was Arthur Knowlton. My name is Arthur E. Knowlton. Your answer was that Hazen Knowlton was not one of my ancestors and my ancestors came from Canada to Minnesota. Unfortunately, I accidently lost the e-mail you sent me and would like it if you could resend this information to me again.

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:10:22 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Knowlton marriages and deaths in NYC, HERALD newspaper

EXTRACTS from "Index to Marriage and Deaths in the New York Herald, 2 vols: 1835-1855, 1856-1863", compiled by James P. Maher

KNOWLTON Marriages:

Albert W. Knowlton, Rev and Jemima H. Wight: 14 Apr 1860
George W. Knowlton and Anne Phillips: 19 Nov 1859
Hannah J. Knolton and James C. Foster: 15 Jun 1848
John M. Knowlton and Jane M. Jarvis Francis: 7 Apr 1860
Mary E. Knowlton and Augustus I. McMahon: 23 May 1851
Mary E. Knowlton and S. Frederick Mixer, MD: 1 Mar 1853
Nathaniel W. Knowlton and Louisa W. Loring: 28 Aug 1858

Deaths:
Alice Hortsen Knowlton: 10 Mar 1863
Andrew Knowlton: 14 Nov 1846
Daniel Knowlton: 15 Jul 1849
Mrs Kate E. Knowlton: 12 Jul 1860
Rebecca Niven Knowlton: 11 Aug 1858

This is the total information I have; you would need to check the microfilmed newspaper to see if there was more info. Also, I do not own these books so cannot do look-ups. Someone sent me these. I imagine the index can be found in libraries. Hope it helps someone.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton 

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:52:38 -0800
Subject: Info on George Frank KNOWLTON
From: John R Vermeer <johnve@juno.com>

Does anyone have information on the following KNOWLTONs. I realize that this is a very broad request and I am still gathering details, but his wife has a very unique name. I believe that George lived in the US all of his life.

*******************************************************

1. George Frank KNOWLTON b. 24 Jul 1870, m. 12 Apr 1898, Anna Marie Fredricka Wilhemenia HERTOG, b. 31 Dec 1868, d. 24 Mar 1962. George died __ Dec 1905, buried 6 Jan 1906.

Children:
2. i Daniel b. 26 Jul 1901.

Second Generation

2. Daniel KNOWLTON b. 26 Jul 1901, m. 12 May 1932, Sheila LAMBERT, b. 20 Apr 1908, (daughter of John LAMPRECHT and Gertrude RENOUF) d. 28 Oct 1986, Seattle, WA. Daniel died 15 Feb 1962.

Children:
i Audrey Elaine KNOWLTON b. Seattle, m. Harris Layton DONNEL, b. Los Angeles, CA, (son of Harold Lewis DONNEL and Anna Grace HARRIS).

ii Noel KNOWLTON.

John Vermeer
vermeer@bigfoot.com

From: CLARKFAMILY4@webtv.net (CLARK FAMILY)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:38:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Lydia Knowlton

Looking for info on Lydia KNOWLTON, m. Jan 4, 1765, to Jonathan Currier (b. 1743 in Methuen, MA.)

Does anyone on the list have or know where to find "Knowlton Genealogy (1897 and supp. 1903). Any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help,
Kevin Clark

from [JBbarnett@aol.com]
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:05:00 EST

Hi I Have a knowlton married to barretts Elizabeth dau of Ephhain Knowlton pluss one married to Cynthia barrett this would be i think robert b 1827

please contact me if you would like to swap info.

thank you, jb
I have about 6500 people on file now

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:40:31 -0400
From: bjm@well.com (Barbara Miller)
Subject: Charlotte Knowlton

Hello,
I saw a post on the Knowlton genforum board about the Knowlton genealogy web site.

An uncle of mine compiled a genealogy of our family a number of years ago. One of our ancestors was a Charlotte Knowlton b. 13 October 1778 in Mason, Hills Co., New Hampshire. Her father was, according to my uncle's genealogy, Benjamin Knowlton Jr., a soldier of the Revolution, and my uncle traces his family back to William Knowlton, a sea captain, born 1584. I know that my uncle referred to Stocking's History and Genealogy..., which I understand has a number of errors. I'm not sure, though, where he's gotten his material from Stocking, and where he's done his own research.

Would you have any interest in taking a look at a gedcom reflecting my uncle's genealogy?

Thanks for your attention,

Barbara

[see reply from Marylin Maddin on April 19 – ed.]

From: Steve & Maja <skmj@total.net>
Subject: Where to buy Stocking
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:59:29 -0500

I would like to find out where I can find this book by Stocking. It is mentioned in at least half of the messages to the Knowlton mailing list. I would also like to know if the addenda are accurate enough to be worth purchasing or if they are provided with current copies of the book.

Also, What is the exact title and what is Stocking's full name?

Lastly, what should one expect to pay for this book? (USD or CAN$)

Thanks for any help.
Steve Knowlton
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

From: nmt1@ix.netcom.com (Norris)
Subject: Re: Where to buy Stocking
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:52:32 GMT

On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:59:29 -0500, you wrote:

>I would like to find out where I can find this book by Stocking. It is mentioned in at least half of the messages to the Knowlton mailing list.

Blairs: http://www.glbco.com/

KNOWLTON. Hist. and Genealogy of the Knowltons of England and America, By Rev. C. H. W. Stocking, 597pp., 1897, PHOTOCOPY; FLEX. VINYL COVERS, $143.75

>>Don't know why the disparity in price or the difference between 597 pp and 610 pp.

KNOWLTON. History & genealogy of the Knowltons of England & America, by C.H.W. Stocking. 610 pages 1897. $77.50 This book is a quality reprint with sturdy paper binding. Hardbound is available for an additional $10. This book is print-to-order; please allow 8-12 weeks, plus an additional 2 weeks for hardbound.

KNOWLTON. Errata & addenda; with a complete index to both books, by G. H. Knowlton. 239 pages 1903. $36.00 This book is a quality reprint with sturdy paper binding. Hardbound is available for an additional $10. This book is print-to-order; please allow 8-12 weeks, plus an additional 2 weeks for hardbound.

At Higginson's: http://www.higginsonbooks.com/k.htm

KNOWLTON. History & genealogy of the Knowltons of England & America, by C.H.W. Stocking. 610p. 1897. $77.50

KNOWLTON. Errata & addenda; with a complete index to both books, by G. H. Knowlton. 239p. 1903. $36.00

>I would also like to know if the addenda are accurate enough to be worth purchasing or if they are provided with current copies of the book.

Stocking's book is worthless without the Addenda....

Both of these books should also be available from amazon.com and barnes and noble. Other booksellers who might have it are: http://www.CyndisList.com/books.htm

I'm quite sure both books are available on film from your local LDS Family History Center for $3.75 each. My FHC charges $.25 a sheet for photo-copies from a film reader. So, both books and, say, 100 copies, at my FHC, would be $32.50.

Norris

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:56:47 -0500
From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Where to buy Stocking

Steve: Norris has given the citation, so I will only add that my copy came from Higginson's in Salem, MA. If you do a search, you will find their web page. The price varies according to whether you find it advertised in the GENEALOGICAL HELPER, so it is worth your while checking that in a library and then referring to the ad when you order. If you have the line down until at least the 19th century (as you do), the book is certainly worth owning despite the wild stories in the first part [Hilton/Knowlton et al.].

Because the book was published in 1897, what you are getting is a photocopy, nicely done, with wide margins for notes, etc. It has not been republished but can be reproduced as its copyright has expired. Do get it hardbound as it is so thick; you can get away with paper for the Errata.

If Amazon.com is supplying it, it must be an expensive old out of print edition. Or have they gone into the rapid-copy business also?

I second that--book is worthless without the Errata. Some pages have more than 20 corrections on them. Whole lines are incorrect. Not that both together don't still have errors that we are correcting here all the time. Just as important, the Errata has an index to both volumes.

The complete citation is on the Knowlton web page, by the way, in case any of you ever need it and can't find this interchange.

Elizabeth W. Knowlton KnowltonEW@Compuserve.com

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